Greetings from Airsoft Team Leipzig (Germany)

[G3forever]

Hi, I am Armin from the German Airsoft Team LAST.

I looked around for Polish forums or pages where i can search for Contacts in Poland. However i wasn't really successful until a friend(Who comes from Poland) gave me the URL of this Page.

 

Now it's obvious why I am writing ;) We are looking for Polish contacts in Poland, because Airsoft is an International Sport and we would like to broaden the Community.

 

I hope you speak English cause i don't speak any Polish, just German and English.

 

I "read" the one Article where u write that in Germany replics are forbidden and just want to say : That's not true.

They just have to be under 0,5J when Full Auto. But can be over 0,5J, than they are only allowed for people aged 18 or above and have to be semi automatic..

Jaaa... Strict Rulz in Germany :roll:

One of the Reasons why we look for Contacts in Poland :P

 

Well i just wait and see if there are any answers.

MfG

Armin

:)

 

[ Dodano: 29 Mar 2006 16:32 ]

Not very Active this Forum?

hmm... a shame...

[Tess]

This forum is active for sure, I'm not only certain if all the people know English that well to answer...

 

Definitely you can look here for some contacts, the forum gathers ASG maniacs from all over the country. Just tell me, do you intend to come to Poland to have some fun? If so, to which region of our beautiful country? It will be easier to find something for you when you give us some more information about your expectations...

 

I admit that in English it is more comfortable to write, but....

 

Ich wunsche dir viel Spass bei WMASG Forum :wink:

[G3forever]

"Just tell me, do you intend to come to Poland to have some fun? If so, to which region of our beautiful country?"

Poland is said to be extremly beautiful indeed, ;) And PERFECT for AS :P.

I hope that is true and not just a myth here in GErmany :P

 

Yes me and my team, and acctually other Teams, would like to play in Poland with polish teams, or al least on their grounds(But with teams would be even nicer :) ) There are several Reasons for that: 1. Polish Airsoft seems to be very widespread over Poland and it is taken more serious. 2. In Poland there is still more free land(expl: In Germany every 100 Meter is a house, and if there is no house than it's a forest where Playing is forbiden, and if this is not the case than something else prevents us from playing there)

3. One of the Major Reasons :D In your Country FullAutoWeapons are Allowed OVER 0,5 J ;) and i think Laser Pointer and Flashlights are allowed too. So that promisses to be much more fun than with our AS weapons.

 

 

But I have one Question, what exactly is the Law in your Country?

How much Joules is an Fully Automatic weapon allowed to have?

With wich Age is Airsoft Allowed?

Would be nice to get en anser to that ;)

 

The region in your country,.... well i had to look at first cause i just know that german Names: Here in Polish.. i think:

Dolnoslaskie Lubuskie, Zachodnio Pomorskie... so the closest to the Border.

 

 

One More Question: How is it with Languages? how many people here speak English OR German?

 

That'S it for now ;)

looking forward to read an answer, mfg, ARmin :)

[szalony jack pirat]

In Poland there is still more free land

Yes, that's true. If You were in France there's even worse there :) There's no public woods or other widely avaible grounds for public activities.

 

However in Poland You can find many unofficial playing grounds where nobody will bother You (provided You don't scare people's to death and You generaly behave in appropriate way and don't break normal law). Poland is airsoft Mekka for now.

How much Joules is an Fully Automatic weapon allowed to have?

Most replicas are stock. Many are up to 370 fps. Maybe 5-10% up to 450 fps. There are some sniper rifles above 500fps (semi only).

Generally particular local communities agree to max. muzzle velocity for auto weapons on their terains.

 

For Wielkopolska / Poznań there is no limit.

With wich Age is Airsoft Allowed?

18 years old. 16 with parent written agreement for some communities.

English OR German?

It depends on particular community. In my squad everybody speaks english and some other language (german, french).

 

Here:

 

http://www.fst.udp.pl/galeria/galeria1.htm

 

are some photos from my friends' AS squad webpage. You can see terains we are playing on (in Poznań).

 

G3forever:

there are some polish players who play AS in Germany. It would be best if You contact them. I think they will write here sooner or later, so be patient :)

[xxxFENCExxx]

G3forever - check PM please.

 

"wiadomości" - look at top of page.

[G3forever]

Thanks szalony jack pirat for the Page. Nice Equipment and Areas... absoultely Awesome... HEhe some of you wear german Flecktarn ;) Nice to see that in other Countries too :D

 

And also thanks xxxFENCExxx You PM was awesome.. Showed the Page to two of my Team... they are so amazed;)

I should ask some Questions from them:

How old Are Airsoft Players in Poland or in Your Teams from what age to what maximum age?

Are these Privat Areas or does simply nobody bother if u play there?

How is the Attitude of Not Airsoftler about Airsoft in Poland?

-Do you Play at all with Under 0,5J weapons?(Wouldn't know why, but he wants to ask ;) :P )

 

Do you have, like we Germans Organise sometimes, bigger Operations where a story is told (e.g. Country A and B are living in a tense atmosphere with each other, after New came that Country B is building a new Chemical Factory Country A is getting Nervous that they Might Produce Chemical Weapons and so station Troops on the Border. Country B counterreacts. so Country A decides for a preemptive Strike attacking the Boder posts of Country B) And you play it with many Players 50-200.

Do u have events like that?

 

Ok that's enought for now ;)

 

Fuck i have to learn Polish... i want to read the rest on your page all of it but i don't get a word;) But Polish is sooo hard to learn :(

 

 

MfG

Armin

[szalony jack pirat]

How old Are Airsoft Players in Poland or in Your Teams from what age to what maximum age?

22-38

Are these Privat Areas or does simply nobody bother if u play there?

These (Poznań forts, some unfinished scraper, woods) are public areas or private but without any noticable marks. So nobody can blame You of breaking law or something.

How is the Attitude of Not Airsoftler about Airsoft in Poland?

Generally we try to stay out of sight while playing. As for more official community standing versus media/authorities it's something between kinky paintball/military hobby/survival sport.

-Do you Play at all with Under 0,5J weapons?

No with AEGs

Do you have, like we Germans Organise sometimes, bigger Operations

Of course. There are even international events.

[G3forever]

Cytat:

-Do you Play at all with Under 0,5J weapons?

 

No with AEGs

 

Well they Are AEGs too... lol :D The only AEGs allowedin Germany

[Tess]

How is the Attitude of Not Airsoftler about Airsoft in Poland?

 

Last time when about 10 people in uniforms were on the bus, on their way to Szarajewo < neben Kattowitz> other people looked at us in a silly manner :). But it was fun. Generally, people think that we are soldiers :D :wink:

 

 

 

Fuck i have to learn Polish... i want to read the rest on your page all of it but i don't get a word;) But Polish is sooo hard to learn :(

 

Nur lerne... :wink: . Aber wenn es für Dich zu schwer ist, dann schreibe eine PM - Wenn du willst etwas hier lesen, vielleicht kann ich es für Dich übersetzen... Selbstverständlich, lieber in Englisch :wink:

 

Küsse,

Tess

[G3forever]

Thanks for the Answers, u still did not say what Age the people are in ur Team (except two of you :P )

 

Now i am really happy that so many here Speak english, my friend predicted that u won't answer because no one can speak english : P well he was wrong :D.

So.. bis Morgen

 

mfg Armin

[szalony jack pirat]

no one can speak english

We can. And generally we don't pick up trousers from shops' stuff:)

[Tess]

Thanks for the Answers, u still did not say what Age the people are in ur Team (except two of you :P )

 

Wir sind aus verschiedenen Gruppen aus Polen. Und willst du wirklich eine Dame fragen, wie alt sie ist?

 

Now i am really happy that so many here Speak english, my friend predicted that u won't answer because no one can speak english : P well he was wrong :D.

So.. bis Morgen  

 

mfg Armin

 

Sag ihm, dass er falsch ist. Polnische Leute sind nicht doof...

[G3forever]

"Und willst du wirklich eine Dame fragen, wie alt sie ist? "

 

Oh Course not ;) Juste Tell me the Ages of all the MALE Members of your Team ;) Like the Youngest and the oldest....

( I am not used to ladies playing Airsoft, u don't have that soo often here in Germ,)

 

"Wir sind aus verschiedenen Gruppen aus Polen"

That's why i am asking ;) Cause than i have a general Idea of many Teams.

 

 

"Sag ihm, dass er falsch ist. Polnische Leute sind nicht doof..."

He's Polish himself ;) I think he meant it to be a joke :)

 

CU ..

 

MFG

Armin

[Westie]

Do you Play at all with Under 0,5J weapons?

So called "noobs" do. Because those Chinese 0,5J "weapons" suck (take a Marui tommygun in your hands after shooting such "wonders" as Cyma CM022 or Well D94 and you won't let it go!), but are dirt cheap (40 Euro for an electric rifle. That shoots 10 meters, sideways, for a week). The fun starts from 0,8 J - thirty-forty meters of actual range (or more!), 900 rounds per second and weight as close to real firearm as it can be. I own both a 0,5 J replica (one of the better manufactured ones) and a "real" air soft gun (two exactly - a springer pistol and a gas-powered Ingram M11) - even if the Ingram jams every other shot, it's really kick-ass (1,5 kilos of a gun. Barks out the whole clip in 2,5 seconds. Turns a styrofoam tray into a sieve. Oh yeah.) and I can't wait to get a "real" AEG.

[G3forever]

"So called "noobs" do. " Oh nice....

Well in Germany only 0,5J Fullautos are allowed, especially under age 18.

SOOO..... there are very much ... "noobs" in GErmany, although we don't see ourself as noobs just because of that.

Hrm...

[Acho]

G3forever napisał:

With wich Age is Airsoft Allowed?

 

18 years old. 16 with parent written agreement for some communities.

 

yeah but this is big international events rule, normally u can buy even m249 when u have 10 years old and u can fight in local events.

[stockmann]

yeah but this is big international events rule, normally u can buy even m249 when u have 10 years old and u can fight in local events.

 

Normally ?! 8O Speak for yourself dude (your community). Seriously, if you have balls fo face the polish law's entanglement please go on and allow people whose age is 10 to play with 320 FPS replicas. Let's add such person's responsibility and the ability to act rationally and we'll have a disaster on wheels. Loose of an eye or whatsoever guaranteed... Having such parent's declaration/agreement gives you at least minimum chances of winning in court if such unpleasant situation will ever occur in your community (touch wood). Please reconsider your view once again.

[Regdorn]

Thanks for the Answers, u still did not say what Age the people are in ur Team (except two of you Razz )

The range of airsoftplayers age is wide in Poland. As szalony jack pirat already said we have got unofficial airsoft community law called PASG (http://wmasg.one.pl/artykuly.php?artykul=14) that puts minimal age of players on at least 16 years old with parents permission. It is caused by possible our law after effects when an accident happen with younger player. But this is for official evetns. We (WMASG) recommend this rule for all communities in Poland but we generaly know that until it will not be limited by Polish law every body can buy airsoft gun and play with it. Even a 11-14 years old child/teenager. It is sad but true. Airsoft are toys but for "big boys". In some hands it could be dangerous. As far as I am concerned bigger local communities respect that and players younger than 16 years old are only exceptions from the rule. But I also know that there are exist teams with players below 16 years old.

 

The top limit of age isn`t known for me :) We have got even almost 50 years old men playing airsoft.

 

Generally an official age limit in Poland is: from 18 (16 with special permition signed by players parent) to only who wants. And so it is indeed :)

 

Greetings,

Regdorn

[AWR_Ronin]

Am ende wom Mai (26-05-2006) in Tomaszowo (Lubuskie) wird ein ganz grosses Treffen, mit Gruppen wom ganzes Polen hergehen (zirka 150 leute). Wenn Ihr will, kann Ihr kommen :), und sehen wie es wirklich bei uns aussieht.

 

Durch PW schicke ich Dir einen Kontakt zum Wolf - den Organisator won Tomaszowo. Er kann ganz gut Deutsch sprechen und er will Euch bestimmt helfen.

 

Ronin

 

p.s.

 

Do you have, like we Germans Organise sometimes, bigger Operations where a story is told

 

Bei uns in Polen giebt es sogar ein par Gruppen die solches Treffen durch drei Tage machen - die Spiel leuf dann die ganze Zeit, und mann stirbt fur eine Stunde :) . Mann tragt dann den Augenschutz das ganze Zeit naturlich.

Sowas nimmt immer Platz, weit wom "Zivilisten". Einbishen Survival kenntnis ist dann sehr nutzlich.

[G3forever]

Cool.. Vielleicht sollte ich nach Polen umziehen :P

 

Das mit Mai gucken wir mal. Vielleicht kommen wir, ich frag erstmal den Rest.

 

Bei uns gehen dieOPs meist 2 Tage manchmal 3.

 

The Stuff with the Age is cool. Eventhough i would not want to ask my mother for a permission ;) (She allows me Airsoft but doesn't like it) But that u have it urself bordered at age 16. Cause most under 16 are really not exactly ready for the sport.

 

 

I have one question concerning the Forum... why do i suddenly have administracja next to the PersonalMessage link? Do i have admin rights or what? If so.. why? Cause it wasn't there before.

 

mfg Armin

[turntablized]

As you see G3forever in poland we have some airsoft players that treat less eqiupped ones with disrespect.

It is sad but is not a rule , such ones like Westie are a marginal ones in our airsoft community i belive. Only thing that will decrease your's chances in airsoft fight is that AEG's in Poland are usually 300fps/1j . This will happen of course if you will stand in a team fight versus a fully AEG equiped team. In our team AEG are not so common and strong (250 fps ) so at all we are a “noob” team ;) . Range of palyers age is 16 – 25 years old . Mostly we are using flecktarn cammo beacuse it is best cammo in the poland woods. In the team there are at lest 3 players speaking english ( i will check it out better for the statistics reason ;) ).

 

( to admin )

Do moderatorów czy obrażanie innych graczy w kraju i za granicą i nazwanie ich “noobami” z powodu nie posiadania przez powyższe osoby “rasowych” replik asg , tym bardziej podczas kulturalnie prowadzonej rozmowy z airsoft fanami z zagranicy jest dopuszczalne i przechodzi tak poprostu bez echa , czy może taki wizerunek airsoftu w polsce bedzie sie dalej rozprzstrzeniał dzięki asom takim jak Westie ?

[Regdorn]

Ja myślę, że Wastie miał na myśli osoby nowo pojawiające się w naszych szeregach, maniaków początkujących, pewnych swojego racji do momentu wzięcia "prawdziwej" repliki do ręki.

 

NOOB (N00B) - Osoba, która jest początkująca i zdaje mu sie, że jest mądrzejszy od wszystkich

 

Jego prawo do opini. Myślę, że kolega z niemiec się nie poczuł na tyle urażony, żeby robić z tego tutaj problem...

 

@G3forever: Don`t worry about Wastie and his calling people having guns less 0,5J as "noob". In Poland a China guns subject is, let`s say: controversial. There are people who threat is as NON real airsoft and there are also people who accept this sort of guns. In my opinion it doesn`t matter from what you are shooting. Important is how you are playing. But you should remeber that there are in Poland people who don`t accept china guns (don`t know why). Yes, I know that in Germany this is the only way to have fullauto guns.

[G3forever]

Well it's not from China ;) I think Taiwan or smth. ;)

[Regdorn]

I have one question concerning the Forum... why do i suddenly have administracja next to the PersonalMessage link? Do i have admin rights or what? If so.. why? Cause it wasn't there before.

Administrators joke on 1st Aprill. I don`t know if you have the same in Germany but in Poland on 1st Aprill (called Prima Aprillis) we make some jokes to each other :D It was only fake "Administracja" :)

 

To everyone: write in english, please... I don`t know german and I want to understand what you are writing about :D

[Westie]

Well it's not from China ;) I think Taiwan or smth. ;)

I don't know if there are some "smart" airsoft gnomes changing springs and selector plates in Marui and Classic Army replicas just to comply with the German law or is your market flooded by junk from mainland China (although I saw someone selling half-decent replicas claiming they're 0,5 J while in fact they were stronger), but yeah, Chinese airsoft "replicas" are a controversial topic here. Old ones were poorly made (screw holes everywhere, crooked barrels, poor quality plastic, etc. etc.), inaccurate (I had a Chinese Glock that couldn't hit a door from three meters), weak and damaged very easily (hence my saying that "it shoots ten meters, sideways, for a week"). New ones (which you won't get in your country - but you're invited to buy, use and store them here if you want and can do it :twisted: ) are made better (Well - a little, Double Eagle - a little, Cyma - significantly), as they are almost directly copied from Japanese designs, which means more power, more accuracy and increased durability (chinese gears are cast from steel - not zinc-aluminium alloys like Marui ones or hot-pressed iron shavings soaked in oil like Classic Army ones).

I own a 0,5J replica myself, I know what I can (or more exactly CAN'T) do with it and therefore I am forced to rely on stealth and surprise tactics a lot more (its range is half as long as the one of non-upgraded "real" replicas owned by people I usually play with) - and since even the kids are backing out from the 30-40 Euro ten-meters-for-a-week "replicas" I think it's the end of 0,5 J "era" here.

SOOO..... there are very much ... "noobs" in GErmany, although we don't see ourself as noobs just because of that

Hey, you CAN'T have anything better, so you can't be considered a "noob" - it's the evil law that bars you from entering the airsoft heaven ;) .

I think we're incredibly lucky in Poland - the regulations regarding airsoft are like the Second Amendment: "the right of the people to keep and bear (airsoft) arms shall not be infringed" ;), which, compared to what I heard about the rest of the world (Netherlands - completely banned; Great Britain - legal "war" to keep airsoft alive in the country; Germany - ridiculous velocity limits, laser aiming devices illegal; USA - orange barrel tips (well, that one's quite acceptable, unless on a Glock); New Zealand - single fire only; Japan - replica body must be made from plastic (hell, is this really a limitation?!) ) is an opportunity that cannot be missed (like "Come to Poland and enjoy our pure air...soft!").